Many different styles of yang tai chi

[Bob Ashmore]

Fred,
There are many ways to neutralize a forward pluck, my personal favorite is to sink and simply negate the energy.
It's fast, it's pretty easy and at the same time it completely offsets the opponent, leaving him in a very disadvantageous position.
You could also follow the pluck, step into the opponent, and give him a bump to take him off his root.
We could go on for days with "what if" but I think you know that.

One of my favorite analogies for Tai Chi Chuan is "be like a water wave, ebb and flow".
The only constant it TCC is change.

Bob

[jacob28]

talking about the different styles is the fu family conected to the yang family the tai chi looks close to each other.does any body tell me the lineage thankyou

[Audi]

Hi Jacob,

From what I understand, the Fu family are relatives of the Yang family. Fu Zhong Wen was Yang Chengfu's nephew, and lived and/or traveled with him for a number of years. Both families look to Yang Chengfu as the standard, but seem to have developed some minor differences in practice from each other.

Take care,
Audi

[T]

Fu Zhongwen married into the Yang family

[Audi]

Thank you. I stand corrected, or perhaps what I remember reading was translated poorly.

Fu Sheng Yuan's site says:

Fu Zhongwen (1903-1994) was a respected Tai Chi Chuan teacher and author. From an early age, he had been a disciple of Yang Ch'eng-fu, and later a family member as he married Zou Kuei Cheng, the great-granddaughter of Yang Chien Hou.

"Yang Chien Hou" is also spelled "Yang Jian Hou or Jianhou." He was Yang Chengfu's father.

[jacob28]

Just had a Q.A i have asked this to many people but no one can tell me about it .Hopeing some one on this site can . i have seen many pictures of yang zhenduo with fu zhongwen and fu shengyuan in the 1950's and the 60's i have heard that the fu family was teaching yangzhenduo

thankyou

[ruben]

Hi Jacob.
Grandmaster Yang Zhenduo was born in 1926, so in the 1950´s he was about 30 years old. I don´t think at his age, was learning from another family.
From Yang family history, GM Yang Zhenduo learnt Taijiquan from his father, at his early years and from his elder brother, Yang Shou Zhong, when GM Yang Chengfu passed away. In the 1960´s, he already was a consummate teacher.
I don´t know Fu´s Family version.
Take care,

Rubén

[Louis Swaim]

Greetings,

Yes, I believe Ruben's account is accurate. Yang Zhenduo was ten at the time of his father's passing, but even as a young child he had already been a good student of his father's. He was said to be very perceptive and adept at absorbing things (耳濡目染) at an early age. By 1937 when the anti-Japanese war broke out, the family moved back to Yongnian. Yang Shouzhong remained in the south in Guangzhou. Accounts I have read say that Yang's mother was very influential in urging her sons to practice together to preserve the art. Yang Zhenduo writes in the foreword to his book that ". . . I had the opportunity to learn taijiquan from my father Yang Chengfu and elder brothers Yang Zhenming [Shouzhong] and Yang Zhenji in my youth." You can get some idea of the conditions in the country and some additional family background in this translation I did some years back of Yang Zhenji's biography in his own book: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=468

Yang Zhenduo evidently studied to be an accountant in school and worked for a mining company in Shanxi beginning in the fifties. He began teaching taijiquan from that point forward.

Take care,
Louis

[jacob28]

i have read that as well but wasent his older brother only nineteen years of age

[Vic]

Hi,

What a great board! Very informative and interesting. Hope no one minds if I give an opinion or three on this thread topic. Not being a member of any particular lineage or school, but rather someone who has studied and practiced several 'styles' of Tai Chi, my somewhat shallow understanding of the matter is that the modern styles like the 24 simplified are combinations of styles of Tai Chi, other Chinese Goushou, personal insight, and 'political' input from Goverment authorities. Within the world of Yang family Tai Chi Chaun, there are many variations, due to people learning from older generations and carrying these forward on their own, as well as some of the other factors mentioned regarding the 24 Simplified. In the end, each of us must decide for ourselves what real Tai Chi Chuan consists of, ideally with the guidance of excellent Masters like Mr. Yang Jun, or at least through constant and honest examination of a particular practice. To me, all styles of true Tai Chi share a commonality of Basic Principles expressed through the Shen Fa: the fine details of course become very different depending on the focus of the style or frame. This was historically true even within one particular Style or System: looking at the changes in the apparent Shen Fa between a slow 'foundational' form and a fast 'usage' form, this might make sense.

[T]

Thank you. I stand corrected, or perhaps what I remember reading was translated poorly.

Fu Sheng Yuan's site says:

Fu Zhongwen (1903-1994) was a respected Tai Chi Chuan teacher and author. From an early age, he had been a disciple of Yang Ch'eng-fu, and later a family member as he married Zou Kuei Cheng, the great-granddaughter of Yang Chien Hou.

"Yang Chien Hou" is also spelled "Yang Jian Hou or Jianhou." He was Yang Chengfu's father.

And Yang Luchan was his Grandfather and Yang Banhou' was his uncle

Fu Zhongwen did train with Yang Chengfu prior to becoming a member of the Yang family and he was highly skilled. Marrying into the Yang family and becoming Yang Chengfu's son-in-law came after he had already been training with Yang Chengfu.

[wobblyboy]

Robert Chuckrow has a good analysis of the differences in the traditional and Cheng Man-ch’ing forms. He discusses the forward lean in the article Google Cheng Man-ch’ing’s Short Form and The Yang-Style Long Form
Regards, Wobblyboy