Fajin

Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:15 pm

At 0:11
掤在手臂
Peng(jin) is in the arm.

是八勁之本
It is the root of the eight basic explosive forces.

是向上向外之力
The force is issued upward and outward.

At 0:17
使對方之力达不到胸部
Its application is to prevent the force of the opponent from reaching the chest.


Please note that (li) was understood as 勁 or 勁力(jin or jin li) since we are talking about Fajin here.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:52 pm

At 0:2
捋在掌中
Lu(jin) is in the palms.

是向旁的橫力
It is the lateral force which was issued to the side (of the body).

三分向下
30 % downward.

七分向后
70% backward.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:28 pm

At 0:3
擠在手背
Ji(jin) is in the back of the hand.

是向前推掷之力
It is a force that was pushed and thrown forward.

要点在于双手用力
Its importance, here, is applying force with both hands.

两脚抓地前弓
Both feet are grabbing the floor(with toes of course) with a forward bow stance.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:55 pm

At 0:4
按在腰攻
An(jin) is in the waist

按勁是向前推击或上掀之力
An jin is the force which is pushing forward or lifting upward.

用時須顶頭悬
At the same time, keep the head straight and move slightly upward.

含胸拔背用腰力發出
Expand the chest, lift up the back to issue the force by the waist.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:38 pm

At 0:5
採在十指
Tsai(Jin) is in the ten fingers

是以手抓住
It is using the hands to grab

对方手腕和肘部
the wrist and elbow of the opponent

向下向后下沉之力
to press downward and backward force

In other words, it is a force by using the hands to grab the opponent's wrist and elbow pressing downward and backward.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:57 pm

at 0:59
挒在两肱
Lu(jin) is in the two lower arms.

是以两臂向
It is by using two arms toward

左右上下挡開之力
the left to right and upward and downward blocking force

In other words, it is a blocking force by using two arms from the left to right and upward then downward.


同时要身躯配合以要帶动
At the same time, using the torso to coordinate with the waist to induce the movement.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:36 pm

At 1:1
肘在曲使
Elbow(jin) is in the elbow when is bent.

是以肘击人
Its technique is to use the upper arm to strike the opponent.

在近身時使用
It was used when the opponent is at close range .
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:48 pm

靠在肩胸背
Kao(jin) is in the shoulder, chest, and the upper back, etc

等部位擊打
These parts of the body are used to strike

貼身時使用
It was used when in close contact with the opponent.
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:57 pm

掤捋擠按採挒肘靠

These are the definitions defined by the Tai Chi grandmasters.
The (lu) and (elbow) were demonstrated by Chen Xiaowang(陳小旺).
The (an) and (Cai) were demonstrated by 崔仲三.

Based on the demonstrations and the descriptions of the eight jins in the video, I only see all the actions are pushing. Does anyone see the final result that the opponent was pulled toward the defender at all?
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:15 pm

Greetings!
It seems people have different notions about fajin and start to talk about it from here and there. Somehow, the pieces just don't add up. Does anybody know what is the prerequisite for fajin? In your own words, please explain that is the way you understand it without using someone else's words for it? I am very curious! Thank you!
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:35 pm

Hello, Tai Chi players
No one knows what jin(勁) is or how to acquire it.....???
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Re: Fajin

Postby yslim » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:32 pm

ChiDragon wrote:Hello, Tai Chi players
No one knows what jin(勁) is or how to acquire it.....???


Good Morning CD,
To calm your ego illness, please step in my Taiji health clinic and try a glass of "home-made" jin come with a recipe of my own doing. If you want to hear my own words.
Mix:
1 cup of pure yi
1/3 cup of yang/陽 chi
1/3 cup of zhong/中 chi (have yang, have yin, there must be have a middle 中)
1/3 cup of yin/ 陰 chi
a dab of prenatal chi and a pinch of postnatal chi for good measure
1 cup of li (raw)
Put them in a Wuji blender and blend all together. Pour it into a Taiji bowl. Drink with a yin straw, all suck and don't blow.
Yes, "We Got Jin". How about you?
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:15 pm

yslim wrote:.....Yes, "We Got Jin". How about you?
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Good morning, yslim
Just one cup of homemade jin tea won't do it. You have to drink many cups a day for many many moons to acquire its efficacy. Even though, 有些陰陽怪氣 :D :D :D
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:05 pm

Greetings!
In my recollection, one member says pengjin(掤勁) is all over the body and another member said the same thing about kaojin (靠勁). What is this all mean? Who is correct? IMMHO There must be a difference. Are we consistent in our understanding?
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Re: Fajin

Postby ChiDragon » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:32 pm

Greetings!
It seems that most people have different notion about jin(勁). Each person has a different description. So, where are the discrepancies came from? Let's not concern us about that for now but just look into its principle. First of all, let's ask how does jin acquired? It is something very simple which your sifu(師父) had never told you.

Have you ever wondered why Tai Chi Quan was practiced so slow? You see, most people just do it slow and took it for granted. If you had done it long enough, then, you would have felt that your body strength has increased tremendously. Finally, we can say that the tremendous body strength was acquired from Tai Chi practice which is called jin(勁).

So far, is there any objection to that? If yes, please express yourself for discussion sake!
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