Enlightening exchange.Thanks for that link to Yang Jwing Mings site, it was very helpul.
First let me say, I am here only as a STUDENT to Taijiquan.
I would like to know how QiGong and Taijiquan relate to each other, and so find this thread very interesting.
Please feel free to parry any blatant and disgracious errors incurring from my ignorant ramblings...
< I have learned a little Tai Chi but have not attempted to incorporate my QiGong practice with it yet, at least not for now> Keechy.
To be more clear on that point myself...I am not trying to meld or merge Taijiquan with QiGong in any way, shape, or form.
I was merely hoping to gain some insight into the general concept of "internal movement", through QiGong. Which I then might enlist, tool fashion, towards improving my "internal movement" in Taijiquan.
Even if only in an analagous manner.
Is QiGong within the realm of "internal martial arts"?
From the links you provided above, Yang Jwing-Ming states that:
<The twelve primary channels and the eight extraordinary Qi vessels comprise the main part of the channel system> YJM.
I note especially the two words "main part"...
Have you any idea which components would, in actuality, complete this "system"?
As listed by Yang Jwing Ming:
The eight extraordinary vessels :
1)Du mai..........governing vessel...Yang,fire.
2)Ren mai.........conception vessel...Yin,water.
3)Chong mai.......thrusting vessel...Yin,Yang exchange.
4)Dai mai.........girdle vessel... horizontal balance.
5)Yangqiao........Yang heel vessel...Yang legs.
6)Yinqiao.........Yin heel vessel.... Yin legs.
7)Yangwei mai.....Yang linking vessel...connects w/ governing vessel.
Yin wei mai.....Yin linking vessel...connects w/ conception vessel.
These are various acupoints and channels drawn from Zhang Yun:
(some of) The Twelve Acupoints:
1)Mingmen point. (Dantian?)
1) shenjin channel.
2) xinjin channel.
3) ganjin cchannel.
4) feijin channel.
5) pijin channel.
I may seem a little confused.....that is because I AM!
Does anyone have a good reference for the twelve primary channels and acupoints?
Is anyone able to provide insight concerning the missing points and channels listed above?
Yang Jwing Ming explains:
< Most of the eight vessels branch out from the twelve primary channels and share the function of circulating Qi throughout the body. These vessels form a web of complex interconnections with the channels. At the same time, each has its own functional characteristics and clinical utility independant of the channels> YJM.
In considering the remainder of the ideologies we are discussing presently, I have narrowed the topics mentioned into what I percieve to be three slightly varying subjects of similar nature.
1)Stimulating Inner activity, momentumor propulsion.
2)Sensing circulation within the channels and vessels.
3)Sensory reactions to unfettered circulation.
1A) Inner activity-Yi
I am unsure if this applies to your descriptions of sitting QiGong practices or not. I have heard mention in other instances of similar ideas of focussing intent on specific points to initiate inner movement. This due to the active nature of the Qi stimulating the surrounding area( organs, tendons, muscles, nerves etc) towards healing as well as towards movement.
Initiating the sitting QiGong seems, to me, from what you have described, to employ physical means to induce inner motion with greater facility. Most probably in combination with intent.
I liken the concept to cycling...The first pushes on the pedals require the most effort. This initiates the beginning momentum, but there is still much resistance (friction of the road conditions, the weight, the wind and weather). If one continues to apply this same effort continuously one will find that there is less and less resistance to overcome with each oscillation and increased momentum. If one persists still, an exceeding point will then be reached where the bicycle has gained 'full speed'. Having overcome the greater majority of the resistance, it now necessitates next to no effort to continue at this 'maximum speed'. The slightest pressure applied to the pedals will propell forward. The intention persists in its focus, replacing physical effort or force with momentum.
2)Sensing circulation in the vessels and channels.
I compare this sensation to metal guitar strings. That is the closest mental picture I can convey to represent this feeling.
Wound metal cords.
Hard, expanding/contracting, and I'm really not sure why, but it seems to be comparable to the way the "low note" metal strings of a guitar are wound with a second wire wrapped around its original straight one.
The straight and the curved?
This is merely theoretical conjecture, sensory experience from a students point of view. Abstract sensations of the functionnings of the body.
One does not usually have a particular aware ness for one's heart beating or the constant contracting and expanding of one's lungs , except when listening intently.
We can't feel our kidneys or liver 'filtering', but they are.
Some people can flex body parts with their mind. Some more so, some less so, some not at all. To accomplish this sort of thing, one must first develop one's sense of internal 'feel' by listening.
Also, The ability to wiggle one's ears and raise one's eyebrows does not necessarily transcend the ability to twitch one's nose or flex one's pecks.
As has been pointed out to me recently from a couple of different sources, one of them being the quotation I provided by Yang Jwing-Ming above, relevant to the 'systems' simultaneously dependant/independant nature.
The functioning depending possibly on the personal penchant and practice.
I personally have become aware of the channels from the pinky to the elbow and the one that crowns the head down the spine (only to the neck) and accompanied by a similar horizontal sensation crossing the back of the head from ear to ear.Only very recently have I experienced the continuation towards the front, and only to the xuanguan point.
Could you please, if able, name these specific channels and vessels for me?
3)Results occurring from clear circulation.
Following Taijiquan practice,
I have experienced on two separate occassions very particular and distinct sensations or states of well being.
One lending toward the feeling of warmth radiating from within, but specifically similar to the heat produced by an electric heater.
The second instance I felt as though submerged in a tank of warm water.
I theorize that maybe the mind produces these symbolic impressions in attempting to label some new input it has never labelled previously.
Aslo,perceptions and interpretations of sensory awareness are precariously subjective.
Concerning bouncing, rocking, swaying.
In Taijiquan footwork there is a combination of 'shenjin' and 'huijin' intention which is said to promote forward movement.
"Shanzhan" in Taijiquan is an additional footwork skill that promotes side to side, dodging movement.
"Tengnuo" or lightness in footwork may be similar in nature to the concept of bouncing.
I have also heard more direct mention of bouncing in Taijiquan discussion here, "hopping like a bird"-"bouncing"
I have had some experience with these forces with informal sitting and standing experimentation.
Rocking forward-jinbu-metal-aha.......(You answered a specific question I was asking-elsewhere-Thank you!)
Lastly, you asked about the meaning of 'raised chi'... I can't answer that, I was hoping you would!
Well, that is more than enough damage for now!
[This message has been edited by psalchemist (edited 11-06-2003).]