I guess I've always considered Right Ward Off to be a sort of smaller version of Left Ward Off, smaller in area of execution rather than overall movement.
The "splitting" I was speaking of is the idea that one arm is lifting up, warding off, the other is pushing down, energy moving in two directions at once, "splitting" my application of energy into two directions at the same time rather than sending the majority of my energy in one direction against a single point.
Now, I feel that there is always energy going in more than one direction, has to be, but I think more in terms of the meaning of the movement when I try to determine if a certain posture is for "splitting" energy or for a more direct transmission against one point.
In my example I feel that Single Whip would clearly be considered "splitting" energy, this energy is clearly being directed in two directions at once, the Push part of Brush Knee and Push would be a more direct, straight on type of energy, the strike of the palm is the major focus of this energy, while the opposite arm is controlling my opponent it is not where the majority of my energy is being directed.
But as there's no definitive standard to go on, this can be very confusing to discuss.
A very good argument for a clearer definition of terms, in my personal opinion, if there ever was one. It would be nice if we had one standard laid out in front of so that our conversations were easier. But, there's not, so we'll have to keep muddling along for now.
In Left Ward Off I have always considered the movement to be more for a whole body control, right arm pulls an opponents arm downward, left arm wards off upward into their arm pit breaking their root and allowing you to use the next portion of the movement to throw them out. I have always felt that Right Ward Off was essentially the same movement, just with a smaller area of application, right arm warding off upward against the upper arm of an opponent, left arm pushing downwards against their forearm, to be used as a break of the arm rather than a larger controlling of the body movement.
I do believe that Master Yang Jun uses this as his "meaning of this movement" explanation on the DVD.
I have always pictured both as being the same basic movement, only executed in a smaller area.
Since the return of Bill from the China trip, one of my fellow practicioners was able to meet with him at class this past weekend, which I was not able to do because of a minor traffic accident Friday night that put my car out of service until Monday making me unable to attend class on Saturday morning. This student also had just returned from the China trip, so he had some good training time with Master Yang Jun and GM Yang Zhen Duo.
So I asked my friend to ask Bill to go over Right Ward Off with him and show him very minutely how it is done.
He came to my place Sunday and we worked on my plumbing for a couple of hours (He saved me a ton of money in plumbers bills, for which I am EXTREMELY greatful), then he showed me how to execute Right Ward Off to the best of his recollection.
My Push Hands partner Jim was also able to meet with Bill on Saturday and is coming to our regular practice tommorow night and the three of us are going to work pretty exclusively on Right Ward Off and on Go With Thrusting Palm during that session.
I have found yet again another posture that I was incorrectly understanding in Right Ward Off.
No surprise there, at all, but a very happy circumstance as it allows me to learn something new.
On Saturday I will meet with Bill again and hopefully by then I will be performing Right Ward Off at least more correctly.
I think I was thinking correctly about the meaning of the posture, but just not clear on it's actualy proper execution.
That said, through experimentation with my friend on Sunday I can clearly apply Right Ward Off as a splitting energy movement as I have been practicing it very effectively. Also the way he showed me was extremely effective.
I guess there's more than one way to apply energy in any form, using slight alterations of the form will return some very surprising results as long as you are in proper form for another posture.
Try that. Use Right Ward Off the same way you would use Left Ward Off, standing in the same manner, and see if you get any different results.
I know I do. It works very well, just in a smaller area of movement that in Left Ward Off.
I'm not saying that's correct, I know it's not correct form, all I'm saying is that it works quite well.
Do a reverse Left Ward Off, going in mirror image, only keep your arm motions smaller, like in Right Ward Off.
Works quite well.
Not proper form, I know that, but it still works for me.
Anyway, I'll play with this for quite some time and see if I find anything new. I have some learning to do, as always, and am very greatful for all the help and feedback you guys give me.
I learn so much from the simple questions that pop into my head. If I remember to ask them.
Look at what happened here. I didn't even know I had a question about Right Ward Off and now I've learned more about it than I thought was possible.
Thanks. This is great stuff.
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