Opening your last post you stated:
<Psalchemist, in my first November 8 post, I probably should not have used the phrase "thought exercise". What I really was trying to do was open up a dialog with you based on your answers to my questions. If you were able to answer them with respect to your own form, I think I could walk you through what my meaning was.> Audi
NOV 8 POST:
<Could you explain please, what precisely one should know about jin points and how one would use this knowledge to accomplish the extension of the joints correctly?> Ps
<First I would recommend that you attend some Yang seminars and listen very carefully> Audi
I have been to one Yang seminar and noted that "listening very carefully" is a prerequisite skill
. I retained bits and pieces and might be more successful next time, however it may be a while before I have opportunity to attend another.
So, failing that...
<I would recommend that you buy FuZhongwen's "Mastering Yang Style Taijiquan". Fu Zhongwen has an excellent discussion of the jin points in the few postures at the beginning of the form.> Audi
Maybe one day I'll be blessed with that text, but unfortunately for now it is lacking in my library.
So, failing that...
<Let me ask you a series of questions as a thought exercise> Audi
My first reaction to that phrasing was that it was indeed an invitation to answer them literally.....but then doubt set in, combined with failing, failing, failing and so I figured you were just plumb fed-up answering my incessant questions, and so opted for the "rhetorical" assumption.
Thanks for clarifying.
You posed four "THOUGHT EXERCISING" questions:
In Single Whip:
1)Can you tell me the precise point or points(make it an area of three inches square, or less) on your body that represent the limit of your forward extension?
- LEFT HAND :Outer palm...let's say the point which joins the base of the outer palm to the outer wrist.(the 'opening')
-LEFT TOES : (note, if extend knee too far forward this closes ankle)
[-LEFT KNEE : (over or behind toes)]
2)What point or points represent the extent of your extension to the rear?
If by "rear" you include the diagonal, then I would say:
-RIGHT HAND:Knuckles and back of wrist(3" square?)...let's be more general then, back of hand and back of wrist joint(the opening)
-RIGHT FOOT:REAR HEEL(also opening)
3)What if anything are you extending from side to side?
I am not sure I understand that question correctly...first guess, nothing. If I had to provide an example? I suppose maybe the left elbow?
Perhaps you could rephrase that for me, to carify.
4)If there are any deliberate "bends" in your body, please explain why you have them and why you do not extend them into non-existance?
If you are referring to a "bend" in the waist or torso, an inclining bend, then I don't think so.
If I consider my answer to question number one above...My knee is "bent" almost to the toes(sometimes)...if this were done at "top speed and with maximum power" I might very well overextend my knee with this inclination.
At the Yang seminar I attended I did note that Master Yang Jun always maintained a very precise 90 degree angle in this relation.
I'm trying, but sometimes failing that
Your questionning led to the added commentary of (open and closed) at the joints...I see what you mean about asking good questions!
[This message has been edited by psalchemist (edited 11-16-2003).]