Yes Audi. I think the same. The Palm methods described by Yang Zhenduo are a way to record and to understand how the hands are expressed in the form. My poor knowledge of English language makes me writing simple sentences, and sometime it comes out something is not what i mean. I still think in italian.
I was asking about kicks or leg methods in Yang style. I mean not how Yangs codify but how many legs/feets methods you know in Yang style. Any reference (books, master, personal experience, ecc.) is good.
For example : did you know and practice "Ti Jiao"?
Yang Jwingming lists of jins seems to me a little bit too schematic and extensive. Like you I see them for the first and only time in Yang Jwingming books.
You Say :
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Could you explain it a bit more? What you say is very interesting. You mean that Bai Lian is not a method? In my mind i catalogue "Bai Lian" like a leg method (probably here the word methods is not the right one), a "jin", a way to express energy.
Yes, we got knee attack in Jin Ji Du Li. But we got a toe strike too (ie: to genitals). YCF talk about "trample" attack to the feet too, and this is not visible in the form. I know of many things (like the upper hand in Jin Ji Du Li that we practice as a li zhang but in application could be with palm up, lifting or pushing up a arm in the elbow) in the form that are not visible or immediate, but knowing them is important to me. It's important for my Yi when i practice. Usually i do not think to them during practice but help me to understand more of taiji. For example I know that i have to put Yi to the hand of the upper arm in Jin JI Du Li cause it can be an attack to face, neck ecc. For what I know and how i practice Yi is very important. Not to visualize a opponent or a attack (this is a very simple and basic way of practicing taiji in my opinion) but to put concentrate my mind on a direction or a part of my body.
You talk about 4-5 different leg techniques. You mean applications? Could you list them?
Deng Jiao and Fen Jiao for me aren't just applications. Like you I put my mind in different points/part when i practice them, and so i care to know what I'm doing when practing. And not only in the leg/feet, for example two posture use in a different manner the arms (in Fen Jiao we must grab the opponent where in Deng Jiao is not required) and so I will put more Yi on equilibrium or more Yi on expanding/stretching on the arms.
Probably I am still at a beginning stage of taiji practice and so I need to visualize the postures. Mobilizing the Qi is a very difficult task and using Yi help me to internalise my practice.
A last question (hope you will excuse me
My Master tell me that the "You Deng Jiao" (Right Heel kick) before the two Da Hu Shi (strike the tiger) or after them was a kick slapped with the right hand (I don't know the technical name of that kick). It is a rising kick could be a Ti Jiao? Have you heard about that?
Thank Audi for the help.
[This message has been edited by Gianluca Meassi (edited 10-14-2003).]