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Bob Ashmore wrote:Jumping ahead to learn push hands may give you some skill at the techniques of push hands. I have no problem with that but I do not see it as desirable in and of itself.
What that will not give you however is the understanding of your own body that is required to really learn how to perform Tai Chi Chuan.
Tai Chi Chuan is not an art comprised of simple to learn local "techniques", it is an art comprised of using your entire body all at the same time in a coordinated fashion.
If only I could get my students to understand this!!!
Everyone wants to learn "techniques", sadly I have no techniques to teach them. I teach Tai Chi Chuan.
Tai Chi Chuan comes from your core, from your center. Not from your limbs.
When you understand that you cannot move only your arm to do something, that moving your core moves your arm and puts your entire body behind the movement which lends it all the power of your entire body, then you begin to understand Tai Chi Chuan.
This can only be learned through diligent and correct practice of any of the long forms of Tai Chi Chuan. The movements are rooted in your feet, released by your legs, directed by your waist and expressed in your fingers.
This is not a flippant phrase, this is a detailed explanation of the method.
It takes time and effort to understand how this works.
You have to put in the time and invest in the sweat equity of Tai Chi Chuan in order to learn it.
There are no shortcuts. Oh, I said that.
On the other hand, I also think that many Taijiquan schools wait too long before teaching their students push-hands, even if those students are primarily interested in Taijiquan’s health benefits. I think that solo forms and push-hands complement each other, and both should be given serious study and practice.
This begins with an emphasis on sensing energy, what happens in the receiver’s body as well as what is happening in the issuer’s bodies; feeling the angles, changeability, speed, force, tensions, breaks in body principles, etc, etc, etc. The first variation of this push-hands practice is where the issuers try not to push the receiver off balance so that the receiver can focus on sensing without tensing due to trying to not be unbalanced
Audi wrote:The overall idea is that practice of the form gives knowledge of your own capacity to produce energy. Once you have some foundation in that you can use this knowledge to gain understanding of the opponent's capacity to produce energy. Once you know the Yin and Yang of this, the two areas of knowledge can support each other. In other words, you will begin to put your knowledge of push hands into the form, and you can use the form to develop your push hands. If you do not know your own energy yet, you have no means of judging your opponent's energy.
I don’t think of it as a chicken or egg dilemma. Form before push-hands may allow a practitioner to progress quicker, but today, when practice of Taijiquan is more for health and recreation than for fighting and self-defense, does it really matter to anyone but the individual practitioner how quickly the student progresses? I think that both approaches can help a practitioner make progress, and thus that both have value. I think that both approaches can teach Taijiquan; it is another debate if one wishes to debate which approach would be quicker, or better, or more thorough, or more practical, more appropriate for a specific student or teacher....
Been reading here and there on the tradition of push hand and came across one which said that it was invented by a student of the Yang Style tai chi and not the Yang family tai chi family. Be it Yang Cheng Fu , or Yang Kwai Fei.
Thus, recognition has to be given to this creator who seems to work above traditions. I wonder if he did it before the form?
I don't think it is logical to think that one need to do or practice the form for some time before one is allowed to do the pushing hand technique or exercise.
here is no such thing as moving your core. The act of moving your core is considered very rough even though it has KN or kilo newton on it, it does not have the mystical power, which is the 11KV (kilovolts jolt)
I have not found a book on this kind of teaching and I am putting my mind set to this kind of achievement. With this kind of mystical power, I believe I can heal the sick , the weak, and the injured. I believe "Tai Chi" means Humongous Energy.
It was said that the late Chen man Ching has enormous power and I had witness a sifu who sent someone flying backwards without moving his core.
So damn the tradition, do more research, get more answers from the Master. Be humble.
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