<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by roh mih:
<B>Thanks for all your reply.
Bob and, where do I see the video clip of Fu Zhongwen and Tung Ying Chieh?
Simon, thanks for the detailed description of the posture and the brief explanation on its historical significance. It's similar to the one I've read from a book on the Cheng Man Ching form, which explicitly maintains the shoulder strike posture in its list of forms. The video of the form as seen in http://www.wuwei.org/Taiji/longform.html
also comes close to it.
And my conclusion is, whether potential or actual, there is a "shoulder strike" posture always in the long form.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
RM: on the Cheng Man Ching form, I started off with that form when I first began Tai Chi but quickly abandoned it when I discovered the Yang Cheng Fu long form. The Cheng Man Ching postures are very much more closed up than in the long form, although I agree that the CMC form does make the shoulder strike explicit, although in the CMC form, the position of the hands is not the 'ball hold' at that point, but the right hand is down in front of the waist. As for the CMC final posture in White Crane, the right wrist isn't bent and the hand is held just above the forehead rather than high above it. A few months ago, I joined another Tai Chi site and made what I thought were some rational observations about the CMC form vis a vis the original Yang Cheng Fu long form without realising that that site was really a forum for CMC enthusiasts! I received some really seriously abusive replies and left in disgust. Kind regards, Simon.