Bob: glad to hear you've recovered well and I'm pleased to say my own self-inflicted wounds are virtually cured now too. I'm interested in the idea of White Crane in the Wu style as being executed from behind the opponent and I'm wondering if that involves somehow evading an attack, then quickly circling behind the opponent and then executing the deflection? It seems strange: I haven't heard of form postures being executed from behind the opponent. It seems to negate the idea of using the opponent's momentum or energy against him/her ... Kind regards, Simon.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob Ashmore:
Sorry to hear about your fall. I have managed to do that myself once or twice, and it has occaissonaly been due to the ubiquitous "one too many" also.
I seem to have recovered from my accident with the exception of a minor "twinge" in my lower left back if I move too quickly. It's getting slightly less "twingy" with each day, so I'm sure it will be a thing of the past quite soon as long as I don't push it.
The biggest drag for me has been trying to get around without a vehicle. My van is, as I said, completely totalled and with the holiday weekend my insurance company hasn't been in any hurry to cut me a check so I can get something to drive.
I've been reduced to borrowing my 16 year old daughters car to get around. I had to borrow her car Saturday morning to make it to class, then again today to get to work.
At least she has a car for me to borrow!
Good thing your friend was able to get out of the inferno that was his car! Weird about the cell phone.
As for Wu style Single Whip, the applications are very similar to the Yang style applications, nothing very different involved really. It may look a bit different, but it is very much the same in principal.
At least, the friends I have that practice that style did the same applications as we do when I asked them.
The "double empty, double full" stance is not an external manifestation, that is how they do that. I have a few friends in the Wu style and I've seen this quite often, have even practiced it that way but not for a LONG time now. I do not know why they do it like that.
However, if you REALLY want a different looking form, with quite different applications at least outwardly expressed (principles are the same) in between the Wu and Yang forms...
Look closely at each styles White Crane Spreads Wings.
While their principles are very much the same, the outward look of them is quite different.
For one thing, in the Wu form the feet are close together, weight is evenly distributed and they "bow" forward from the waist and turn the upper body to the left before returning to upright. The right arm does not arc up above the head during their form either, ending instead at eye level with elbow down and with standing palm facing forward.
I made the mistake of asking a Wu stylist why they do that once. I found out the hard way...
He demonstrated it on me.
Let's just say I've never seen a Yang style application demonstration for White Crane that involves the opponent being behind me. That's not to say they couldn't be, I'm just saying I've not seen it yet.
I imagine the Wu style White Crane, with some minor alteration, can also be used in the same manner as the Yang version, just as I'm quite sure that the Yang version, with minor alteration, could be used just like the Wu style version. However, on first blush, they have very little in common visually. I had to play with it a bit before I found the similarities, which are internal and much more prevelant then the differences.
Again, I am at work with limited time to surf around looking for photos. But if anyone could help us out, it would be appreciated.
I guess my thrust is this:
As long as the principles are maintained, the outward appearance doesn't matter very much.
Watching the Macao fight (don't know if I spelled that right), one can clearly see that application and form are almost always going to appear radically different from one another.
We train form as we do to learn the principles.
Then we can beyond the form to use the principles as required.
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