<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dr.zero:
But far from the 'embrace'-'leopard' brawl I found one thing to be more interesting in his commentary:
<I>He (Cheng Man-ching) said the embrace followed by 3 movements from Grasp The Sparrow's Tail-Rollback, Press and Push, but where's Ward-off?
Obviously he doesn't know what the Ward-off is.</I>
A question pops in mind, how come that isn't discussed anywhere?
Another question about the old-new YCF frame: are the increased repetitions (3 in the old frame vs 5 in the new one, ie repulse monkey, cloud hands and wild horse's mane) and the simplified transitions/smaller frame only due to the fact YCF was gaining large amounts of weight as he was getting old? He indeed was overweight above (chinese) average, even for today's standards.
First - And, a good question. Not sure except few in the west have seen the full text. The essence of the critique was not the names of the gestures, rather, it was using nontcc tactics. Even when Qu tried to rebuttal, he did not provide any detail except to describe some general, yet very interesting, things in during those days.
Re the repititions within the form - no, it had nothing to do with YCF's weight. Neither did the large frame that many here (west) attribute to his size. Body size had nothing to do with it. In his 1948 book, "TCC Explained", Tung described Master Yang Chengfu's set as being good for beginners. Interesting stuff
Recently an older kf bro met Jasmine Tung & had a nice visit discussing some interesting material.
The current family mostly uses 3 reps. FZW 5. Tung 3. It matters not, as you know, at least Fu & Tung advised, as long as one is consistent in using 3 or 5 or 7 or ... throughout the set. I have a personal video of YZD using 5 at a demo at the u in Xi'an during the mid 1980's at the local tcc club. He demo'd along with FSY then & there - their large sets, sword, saber, & ph. The mattress on the wall was definitely needed. The club's best p.h. fellow was tossed around like water thrown from a fan.
As you know re the wardoff, it actually is implied throughout, same w/lu,lie, peng, etc., everywhere, always.