<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrVince:
I've been doing a little digging to find titles associated with the "sifu" term. Here's what I found:
Si-Jo, Founder of the system
Si-Tai-Gung, Great grandmaster
Si-Hing, more experienced students
To-Di, Student and self
Si-Di, less experienced student
Moon San, Beginners (At the door)
I know I'm missing many others, such as female terms. So if you can fill in, please do.
I also found "Yup Moon Dai Gee" (In door disciple) and "Yup Sut Dai Gee" (Inner chamber disciple) which I don't understand.
Hi Vincent, and those who like to keep up the 'ranking ' of respect of the kind...
1,Si-Tai-Gung, generally use as the founding father same as Si-Jo, ( As Si-Tai-Jo is more formal as use for writing and Si-Jo use more or less for everyday speaking)
2, Si-Gung, Generally use in respect for your teacher's teacher. as "gung" generally reserved for "grandfather" or the same level of ranking as such.
3, Si Hing, the "hing' is only mean "older brother" as one born/come in before you. HE has more seniority but NOT EXPERIENCED IF HE IS A LAZY GUY,over you. and this term can only be use to address MALE ONLY.So
"more experienced students" can not apply if this student is FEMALE,unless....
4, To-Di,Student and self. This term is mean student but use for "self" is some what confusing.
5, Si-Di, same as Si-Hing can only use to address Male only. HE is "younger kungfu Brother".You have more "seniority" to command your respect.
6, Moon San, is not "Beginners (at the door)" "San" mean "student" for short in Chinese. "Moon (at the door)" mean "his teaching/at his place. If I studied 20 years with my teacher and now I am a teacher myself,I am still a "Moon-San" or student to my teacher.But I'm not a "beginner"
7, The "in door disciple" Is the student(s) chosen/accept to learn the teacher's skill. and hopefully can carry out this teaching. And the "Inner chamber disciple" is the one/few chosen among the indoor disciples to carry on the teacher's life-long skill/secrets. these secret are so secret trust no one and only place to teach it is in the "Inner Chamber" Like guarding all the gold in the Fort Knox. In short the inner chamber disciple get to learn more secret from the teacher orally and for the ears of those chosen one's only. Time changed so the meaning. But it's fun to hear these term again..thank you for your post.
Ciao and have a good day.