<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kalamondin:
LOL--some funny posts here, guys... but in all seriousness, I also remembered this post:http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000004.html
T, Thomas, in general we like a good debate and don't tend to get riled up when discussing other styles of tai chi--except, apparently, Erle Montaigue. I'm not qualified to comment on his martial arts skills or his expertise at tai chi theory--but I do admire his gong fu at getting people angry. That's a good technique for getting one's opponent off balance.
Anyway, my point is that generally we are interested in learning about other styles and how they are similar to or different from Yang style and are not super invested in proving that the style we happen to practice is the best or any such BS/hubris. Master Chen Zhenglei and his son were kind enough to visit our school recently and gave a demonstration and lecture. Tung style is respected and I have enjoyed pushing hands with a visiting Tung style student. From observing my teacher, I get the sense that the top tai chi people from all the families and styles are more interested in the continuity of their art though exchange and cooperation than promoting their style to the exclusion of others.
As for short forms vs. long forms, I agree that there's more health/martial benefit in practicing a long form--but I still think the short forms are good for what they are: a shorter practice for when time is short, and a compact means of demonstration. Whether it interrupts your qi flow or not is largely a matter of intent. If you approach a short form as complete in itself, then the qi can flow just as well. But if you approach it as a kind of Frankenstein-creature that has been hacked and sliced and is missing something essential, then sure, I could see how that would be constricting or make the qi feel choppy. It's like the difference between a chocolate cupcake and a full chocolate cake: would you insult a perfect little cupcake just because it doesn't have the full three layers and is so small? Personally, I'd have no problem enjoying a cupcake for what it is!
Sorry, my intension was not to rile anyone up just to reply to the post.
The statement I posted about Taiji as a martial art dieing was Chen Xaiowang not Chen Zhenglei. I have also meant Chen Zhenglei, had lunch with him and his wife actually, and I would agree with what you are saying.
As to the short forms; I honestly have no problem with the forms I can have a problem with how they are advertised or those that only know the short forms judging Taiji and speaking like experts on the topic when in fact they only know 24 and 48. But if someone wants to do them and enjoys them that is fine.
My first form many many years ago was 24 and I do still do it from time to time. However it does look much more like a condensed traditional form now than what I was originally taught.
As to Earle, my only thought is as stated, is he honestly stating the facts as he believes them or is it just advertising to make money. Honestly either way it doesn't affect me much at all. But if he claims lineage to Jainhou and is saying that is the form of Luchan he is, to my understanding, not exactly correct.
I have no idea what the original posters intent was but I thought it was a bit strange to say don't do 24 and 48 and then use the link to Earle's statement which has little to do with 24 or 48 and more to do with bashing Chengfu which also makes little sense to do on the Yang family site.
As to Cheng Manching I have said all I need in my original post.
My only agreement with Earle would come from the point that there are a whole lot of schools out there teaching what they call Yang style Taiji when in fact they are not teaching Yang style Taiji at all they are teaching 24 which does not come from the Yang family and they are teaching 48 which not only does not come form the Yang family it is not entirely based on Yang style. But with that said if that is what someone does and enjoys it, more power to them. It is when someone judges Taiji based on these form I have a problem.
As to any statements I made on Yang style or Chengfu that may have offended anyone my apologies, it was not my intention. I have been doing Yang style for a long time but truth be known I started with Chen and if there where a Chen Sifu in the area I moved to I would have continued with it. However I found my Yang Sifu and although I still prefer Chen I am now a Yang stylist sense I have been doing it now for many years, much longer than I did Chen.