<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob Ashmore:
<B>In no way am I saying Dim Mak is simplistic or that those who practice it are simple minded nor am I disparaging Dim Mak in any way, all I'm saying is that the concept, all by itself, is really quite a simple one.
The basic idea is to know the location of pressure points, then hit them. That's it, end of class.
You can of course, as with all things, complicate the hell out of it and do more or less "advanced" versions. But up front all you need to know is where the pressure point is, you hit it and it has an effect.
And it doesn't take a whole lot of time to figure out how hard to hit someone to make simple expressions of Dim Mak effective, nor does it take eleven years of training in secret with monks or Masters to learn some Dim Mak points.
I can't go into details the locations of the points or how much pressure to apply to each point necessary to get someone to turn blue and climb up walls. I have never studied the concept that deeply. I have, however, studied the idea that hitting certain points on a persons body will cause more damage than hitting others.
Kick a male in his nads, he will expell all of his air and crumple in pain. This is down and dirty "accupoint striking", Dim Mak at its least elegant but arguably most effective.
There was no advanced, complicated, in depth, secretive, years long training required to be good at that, was there?
I stand by my original statement. The idea behind Dim Mak is simple.
I will append it by allowing that you could, if you so chose to do so, make a lifetime study out of knowing where each and every pressure point is on the human body, male and female, and just exactly how much pressure to apply to each to get the maximum and minimum results for each one.
But there certainly is no reason to do that in order to know and be effective at Dim Mak.
Just as point of clarification
Kicking someone in the nads although effective is not exactly what I am talking about. But so be it, think of it as you will.
If you are using Dian Xue in a martial application effectively you are at a higher level
And also for the record I am not saying anything about secrets of the Yang family. And I do not agree that Yang Chengfu ever ruined anything, however he did changed it. I cannot say he riuned it becuae I do not know the forms that came before. I
Mainly what I originally said was that Erle was claiming the style of Luchan via Jianhou and that as far as I know is not possible by Erle's definition since Jianhuo also changed the form of Luchan. Actually we all have a link to Luchan via the Yang style that we do just the same as Erle.
And additionally, this is not to Bob by the way since he said nothing about this
If anyone believe that any CMA family be it Yang, Chen, Wu, Sun, Hao, Tung, Zhaobao or Yip (I know Yip is not Taiji) for that matter will show everybody everything just because they are a student I feel you are not correct. They do reserve some things for family and inside students it is just a fact of Chinese martial arts, which Yang style is one of them.