<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob Ashmore:
<B>Without any external movement there will be no amount of "flying out" for anyone. I don't care how refined your Yi/Qi/Shen may be, without any external movement your opponent, partner, whatever, will not be going anywhere.
"If my opponent does not move I do not move, if my opponent moves I move first." Where in this statement do you see "I won't move at all and my opponent will go flying with the force of my Yi/Shi/Intent alone"?
At EXTREMELY high levels the movement used to make your partner also move may be extremely subtle, it may be difficult to detect with the naked eye, but if you're trying to say that with NO external movement on your part someone can be made to bounce away from you...
This can be disproven easily. I have done so many times, will gladly do so again any time you'd like.
It might be better to say, "With movements so subtle and precise they are nearly undectable my partner can be made to fly out" rather than "no movement".
Semantics? Yes. But important none the less.
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Some of us know that Taiji is so deep there is no need to disproven nor proved. It is a journey seen going no where and one can end up somewhere...If one can empty ones ego to reach something call 'fong sung'.The hardest fong sung in taiji is the ego. With ego one will forever stucked in the "skill" process of Taiji. I'm still working on it and I almost get to like it some itme.
The funny side of Taiji...For those who deos not believe such skill is believable, no need to explain. For those who had experienced it,explain no need.
I wish you luck someday you have a chance to 'run into' such skilled Taiji master can make you speechless at your "move first" before his 'undetectable fullness' move... But mean time try to look at this site www.doubledragoalliance.com
It is a workshop in China in Nov.2006 and click on the teachers who will taught in this workshop,scroll down to check it out on Grand Master DONG BIN push hand clip. If you like his funny skill and the good news is you can go there experience it if you want it. I wish I have the money to go. Maybe I should practice the Yi over Lottery.
Ciao, may you have a fong sung day